Opel Corsa-e SRi $42,975 +ORC after $7015 Rebate (save $10k), Mokka-e SRi $49,975 +ORC after $7015 Rebate (save $13k) @ Opel NZ

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scott on 15/08/2023 - 12:58 opel.co.nz (984 clicks)
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Corsa-e SRi
was $59,990, now $49,990 + ORC (eligible for $7015 rebate)

Save $10,000

Notable as the Corsa-e SRi is now now equal with the Nissan Leaf 40kWh as the cheapest non china EV in NZ (the corsa-e is built in Spain), and substantially beats the 40kWh leaf on the range (383 km vs 270km WLTP).

If we include china built EV's, it is third equal on price, behind the Base MG4 & Base GWM ora. And tied with the 40kWh leaf, Base MG ZS EV & BYD Dolphin.

At 4,060 mm long, it sits in the european B segment (supermini), and is a size down from the likes of the Nissan leaf.

Fairly nice conventional appearance, and good specs level

• 383 km WLTP range
• 0-100km/h in 8.1 sec (100kW FWD)
• LED Matrix Headlights
• Heated frount seats stearing wheel
• 0-80% DC fast charge in 30mins (at a 100kW or greater charger)
• Wall socket charger cord included (these add about 10km range per hour)
• 7.4kW AC charger onboard.
  -17" wheels
• Adaptive Cruise & Lane keep assist
  -180 degree camera's (back and both sides)
• 6 speaker audio
• Apple CarPlay & Android Auto
• Auto dimming rear mirror
• Telescopic steering colum.
• 5 year, 100,000km warrenty (incl roadside assist). Battery warrantied for 8 years / 160,000km to 70% of new capacity.

Note some options have a cost. i.e. colours other than orange +$550, glass roof +$1990

https://www.opel.co.nz/content/dam/opel/new_zealand/document…

Mokka-e SRi
was $69,990, now $56,990 + ORC (eligible for $7015 rebate)

Save $13,000*

Little SUV, specs quite similar to the Corsa-e

• 0-100km/h in 9.0 sec
• 363km WLTP range
• 310L boot
• 18" wheels (215/55 R18 Tyres)

They also have smaller discounts on petrol & PHEV cars.

While stocks last or 30th Sept 2023, whichever is first.

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  scott on 15/08/2023 - 16:01

  +1

  Should note that the Corsa-e is selling way cheaper here than closer to it's Spanish factory. As am example per https://ev-database.org, the non SRi version sells for Euro 36,395 in Germany. Works out to NZD66,408.68.

  So now some $16k cheaper here in NZ. Not often we get good deals on cars at this end of the world, so this is great :)

  Of course I think the excite 51 MG4 is even better value, but this remains a great alternative option, and beats the MG4 excite 51 in area's like efficiency, DC charging speed & has features like auto dimming rear view mirror, stearing & seat heating, 180 degree camera, lane keep assist, 6 speaker audio, all of which the base MG4 lacks. Of course, the MG4 is more powerful, RWD & gets the more durable LFP battery chemistry.

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    bisky on 15/08/2023 - 20:40

    To be quite honest, a significant chunk of EV's are cheaper in NZ than they are elsewhere.

    Be it model 3, BYD or smaller brands, we are much cheaper than the UK / Euro and even the US.

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  Rabid on 15/08/2023 - 16:15

  -3

  I'm waiting another 5 years, road trips in ev cars are painful AF.

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    Neori on 15/08/2023 - 16:37

    +1

    I've been around the North Island several times in the last 2 years of ownership and haven't had much pain at all.

    My only pain was in New Plymouth but I believe there are plans to expand the EV charging network there which is much needed.

    What sort of pain are you referencing?

    • Jexla on 15/08/2023 - 17:03 Comment score below threshold.
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        phillq on 15/08/2023 - 17:19

        +5

        You can time the charge at the same time as a lunch/dinner or a stretch/toilet break (I know from five years experience).

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          Jaxson on 15/08/2023 - 17:29

          @phillq: ie simple planning

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      phillq on 15/08/2023 - 17:18

      Tesla now have three Superchargers in New Plymouth, FYI.

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    scott on 15/08/2023 - 17:19

    Should Note that Opel is also discounting some of their ICE & PHEV cars, if EV isn't your thing. I Just lead with EV's as the discounts are bigger, and because I like EV's.

    On road trips, it really comes down to the EV & the road trip.

    In general, modern EV's are pretty good, and NZ is pretty small, with relatively low speed limits by international standards.

    Some of my family members did Tauranga to Kerikeri (6 hours / 464km each way) in their 2019 64kWh Kona for a family event last weekend. (They left a later model CX-5 behind, so this was by choice. On they way up they stayed with us a couple of days, and charged up from our domestic socket, so zero time fast charging. And on the way back they stopped for 20mins at the Bombay hypercharger (there were six cars already charging when they arrived, so they did need to wait a few minutes for a cord to come free before they could start).

    I did Auckland to Kerikeri, and opted to leave the leaf behind, and take our (non plug in) SUV instead. Both becuase the leaf didn't have enough boot space, and also because our 2014 leaf (80 - 100km range, and relatively slow fast charge speed now) is pretty painful to take more than one charge stop away.

    Have borrowed the Kona and done Tauranga to Ohakune before (charging at accommodation), and a Tauranga to Whitanga return day trip (nearly 6 hours driving, and no charging, still had roughly 40% left when I got home).

    Should note that the OPEL ev's arn't as good for road tripping as say a Kia EV6 LR RWD. That car has 528km WLTP range, 7.3s 0-100 time, RWD, 490L boot (+small frunk) and can charge from 10% to 80% in 18mins (on a 350kW charger).

    But of course the EV6 is $73k after the rebate, so a full $30k more expensive.

    And of course the route matters too. There are a few spots in NZ where the charging infrastructure is quite congested.

    I'm interested to hear the reason your EV road trip was painful, and what car it was in.

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    phillq on 15/08/2023 - 17:20

    Unless you have a Tesla, where they have super fast Superchargers which make it significantly less painful.

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      scott on 15/08/2023 - 17:52

      Should note that EV road tripping is not exclusively the domain of Tesla's in NZ.

      Especially in the north island, where charge.net has rolled out a decent number of 300kW capable Hyperchargers. These are able to charge for example the 528km WLTP Kia EV6 from 10% - 80% in 18mins.

      Regarding the Opel's, they do 0-80% in 30mins, which while not as good as a modern tesla, is still passably fast.

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        phillq on 15/08/2023 - 20:02

        Yes you are correct.

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      Databitz on 15/08/2023 - 19:16

      It doesn’t make much difference really, sure the superchargers have faster speeds but for most of your charge are you aren't charging much faster than the even the basic 50kw chargenet chargers. Because the charge speed slows down as the battery fulls up.
      Also in NZ there are way more chragenet chargers, so Tesla drivers are using those chargers just as much of not more.

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        phillq on 16/08/2023 - 07:17

        From experience with using both for five years, the Superchargers do make a noticeable difference, especially if you are charging from 20-80% during your entire trip.
        While using the 50kW normal Fast Chargers, it tops at the low 40’s and slows down in the 20-30’s as you get to a high state of charge because of the average battery pack Voltage.

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    Databitz on 15/08/2023 - 19:11

    Dont agree, we did a trip from AKL to CHC and back over the New Year (peak time) and it was easy.
    What EV have you got?
    Anything with real world range of 300km+ range or ~400km wltp would be the same.

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  PiRACY on 15/08/2023 - 16:19

  I'd rather the government were subsidising something like tires (for everyone) instead of just EVs for rich folks. Tires would arguably save lives, reduce road injuries and decrease fuel consumption.

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    Jexla on 15/08/2023 - 17:04

    I like the idea on the base of it, but who gets subsidized tires? Anyone with only x amount of tread left once every 3 years?

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      PiRACY on 15/08/2023 - 21:43

      Everyone, if they remove GST from them?

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    KeepYourPantsOn on 15/08/2023 - 17:26

    +5

    They should subsidize Electric bicycles as well.

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      scott on 15/08/2023 - 17:58

      +1

      I would be keen for that.

      I guess they aren't keen on the inevitable image of a pair of sweet e Mountain bikes on the back of a ford ranger raptor (292 CO2 g/km WLTP3), on their way to to the local Mountain bike park.

      Would be impossible to split out bikes used for transport and those used as Toy's.

      Also, if we are going to subsidies e-bikes, surely we should include peddle bikes too. An even greener transport option.

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      PiRACY on 15/08/2023 - 21:47

      Yes. Don't forget helmets too. We all pay for ACC.

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    scott on 15/08/2023 - 17:38

    +1

    If you are referring to the clean car discount, the idea is that it is revenue neutral. I.e. the fee's paid by those buying mustang V8's and Ranger Raptors, pay for the rebates on EV's. So it's not like the policy is a government lolly scramble, payed for by general taxation.

    Granted the initial rates (new rates kicked in a few months back) were far to generous, so for that period it did end by being a general subsidy for new car buyers (rich folks) to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars…

    Personally don't think a tire subsidy would be a great idea.

    If the general taxpayer pays, it turns into a general subsidy for motoring. Given it is already illegal to drive on tires with less than 1.5mm tread depth, I doubt there would be significant safety gains. Most people are going to wait until their tires are approaching legal minimum before replacing them regardless if the cost is $800 or $700 for a full set…).

    And in terms of decreased fuel consumption, the only way to achieve this is by having the subsidy only apply to low rolling resistance tires.

    Perhaps it just the ecopia low rolling resistance tires, I have used before, but I found they were down on grip and wear life vs regular touring tires, and suffered UV degradation / perishing surprisingly quickly, so decided to not to buy low rolling resistance tires when they were replaced, accepting the 5% higher fuel consumption for better safety and longer tire life (some environmental gains from this)

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    nzmax on 15/08/2023 - 19:07

    The argument is that these EVs will filter into lower income people as second hand vehicles. But the battery would have likely also depleted by that stage, and many buyers will keep them for years. But these rich buyers aren't even paying road user charges. So low income people with petrol vehicles are subsidising those rich EV owners to drive on the roads. The other thing is that the Ute tax was supposed to balance out the EV subsidy, but it didn't and tax payers have been funding a large apart of it. Even the National party leaders family has got their subsidy when they purchased an EV, even though they can more than afford not to take it. If you delve into it, it isn't a good look imo. Many EVs with low ranges may have very poor ranges in 10 years, unlike petrol vehicles which never lose their range overtime

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      bisky on 15/08/2023 - 20:45

      +2

      That's just one idea.

      A bigger idea is that by subsidizing EV's and clean energy to people able to afford a newer, less refined technology as well as the supporting structures [charging networks and home-chargers] we get to the stage earlier of when EV's are cheap, prevalent, developed as are the supporting structures.

      The whole point of subsidies is to encourage demand, if we don't encourage demand in this area it'll be a lot later that we reach that point - why would we pour economic and brain resources into attacking this problem if there isn't a $ prize? There aren't enough amazing environmentalists that'll work for $50k to solve the worlds problems.

      You can't get smaller cars like a Model 2 or ~$30k new EV in a few years time, if people aren't willing to adopt the model 3 now. It wouldn't make any economic sense for a company.

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      FiveFeetUnder on 16/08/2023 - 08:35

      +2

      The batteries degrading is mostly in older non-thermally managed EV's like the Nissan Leaf. There are Teslas and Hyundais that have done over 200,000km and still have battery health well over 90%. You can currently get 2017 Ioniqs for around $25k and they will keep getting cheaper as more EVs trickle down to second hand

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    ace310 on 15/08/2023 - 19:09

    +3

    How is EVs for rich folks? There are far more expensive ICE cars. Also subsidy is not only on EV, but also on phev and hybrids.

    Yes the rebate amount was not balanced initially but it might be more aligned now. RUC is coming next year for EVs. Government didn't plan this properly.

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      nzmax on 15/08/2023 - 19:13

      Most EVs are very expensive and many that have sold are Tesla which are considered luxury vehicles which are at that top limit. There are now some cheaper EVs coming in such as the new MG4 which I understand is under $40k in Oz. But that is still quite a high priced vehicle compared to an ICE. I recall hearing that the average price NZers pay for a car in NZ is under $20k

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        FiveFeetUnder on 16/08/2023 - 08:37

        That $20k will be including second hand cars. What is the average price for a new car purchase in NZ?

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    Everettpsycho on 15/08/2023 - 19:13

    +3

    What most people forget with the rebates is as much as the cars are expensive and considered for the rich, if they sell them at all they enter the market to be sold to those on lower incomes as second or third hand. The scheme was aimed at encouraging adoption if EVs which is exactly what it is achieving. Most on lower incomes never buy a new car, petrol or ICE, so more cars in the market means lower prices into he future. The rebates are also offered on used vehicles, and if you're a two vehicle household with modest daily mileage a used Nissan leaf is very much now within reach of most car owners as their run around car.

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      nzmax on 16/08/2023 - 14:44

      That is if they still have a good range and good battery condition. Most second hand car buyers in NZ are looking for cars under 20k, and you can't find a good second hand EV with a good range for that. A second hand ICU is a very different product to and second hand EV, as a lower income buyer buying a second hand ICE is not buying a car with an inferior range and therefore an inferior car. So many EV owners may only get rid of their EV once the battery level starts to become a nuisance, as it is uneconomic to replace the batteries. The batteries are the major cost to any EV. They say batteries will last a good 10 years, but many people who buy new keep their car for that, and they may keep EVs longer as they need less maintenance and less to potentially go wrong mechanically than a ICE. The example of a used leaf highlights the issue as many seem to be offloaded solely because the range on them has depleted so badly. So they have little use apart from a town run about, where for that money people are probably better to buy a ICE.

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        Everettpsycho on 16/08/2023 - 16:44

        Used leafs are the only older mass adopted models which is why they are abundant. The prices on them are plummeting and you can get 40kWh models for $20k after the rebate now and if you don't mind a 30kWh one that can do 130km on a charge they can be had even cheaper. For most 130km a day is plenty especially as a second car. Yes technically limiting range is a downgrade but the reality of the ownership is if you do less than the maximum range each day you will not notice that downgrade for it to actually be one. The rest of the car is a decent unit and likely an upgrade over a lot of cars of similar ages.

        I own a 30kwh one and do 100km commute every day in it no problem, the range is not an issue for our usage but we are saving about $100 a week over our old ICE. One day those batteries won't be so good but that is a good few years out yet and at that point we would have covered the saving over the cost of the ice we could have got instead.

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    morepork on 15/08/2023 - 20:36

    Boy racers, er, "car enthusiasts", would be fans of a tyre subsidy

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  taeken on 15/08/2023 - 17:42

  +2

  The government aren't subsidising the purchase of EV's. They are taxing high emission ICE vehicles at sale and providing rebates to all vehicles that fall under a certain emission threshold. From the Waka Kotahi website:
  "Fees for vehicles with high CO2 emissions are expected to fund zero and low emission vehicle rebates. In this way the scheme is intended to be cost neutral. However, if funds are exhausted at any given time, rebates will not be paid out. Once the rebate scheme restarts, only vehicles registered from the restart date that meet the eligibility requirements will qualify for a rebate."
  It's cost neutral to the government.

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    nzmax on 15/08/2023 - 19:09

    That was the plan but that didn't occur, beucase more EVs were sold than they expected. So taxpayers have been subsiding it. That is why they dropped the subsidy amount in the last few months.

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      taeken on 15/08/2023 - 19:12

      That's not how the scheme was setup and not how it is documented. Can you provide a source for that?

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        nzmax on 15/08/2023 - 19:13

        Scott explained it above

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          taeken on 15/08/2023 - 19:15

          @nzmax: Can't see where he said tax payers were funding it? The scheme clearly states if the fund is depleted the the rebates are not paid.

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            nzmax on 15/08/2023 - 19:15

            @taeken: "Granted the initial rates (new rates kicked in a few months back) were far to generous, so for that period it did end by being a general subsidy for new car buyers (rich folks) to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars…"

            It is also the reason why the amounts got dropped last month.

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              taeken on 15/08/2023 - 19:17

              @nzmax: That's speculation with no proof, scheme clearly states it has to be self funded. I haven't seen anything to suggest it's being topped up from other sources.
              The amounts got dropped to ensure the fund could be sustained.

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                Ginny on 15/08/2023 - 21:40

                @taeken: There was a lot of reporting https://i.stuff.co.nz/motoring/131769489/has-the-clean-car-d…. From the article ”the income from Clean Car Discount penalties running well below the rate of payout - $161m in fees against $367m in rebates".

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                scott on 15/08/2023 - 23:05

                @taeken: The intent was for the scheme to be self-funded, but as per my comment above, the initial payment rates were too generous (with the benefit of hindsight), and the scheme ended up being no-where close.

                Should note for the first several months EV discounts were introduced with no corresponding fee on high emissions vehicles, so don't read ratio's into the numbers

                But yes, the government chipped in $300m initially to cover the imbalance, and topped that facility by $100m in budget 2023. Still have $20m of the initial $300m left, and were yet to touch the additional $300m as at 30 Jun 2023 per the below source

                https://www.nzta.govt.nz/vehicles/clean-car-programme/clean-…

                More commentary.

                https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/fees-go-up-rebates-go…

                This massive subsidy of the auto industry as a whole was the reason for such a dramatic shakeup of rates on 1 July 2023.

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                  taeken on 16/08/2023 - 08:36

                  @scott: Thanks for the info. Do you think the adjustments will lead to a self sustaining fund as it was intended?

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                    scott on 16/08/2023 - 22:50

                    @taeken: I haven't modeled the new rates, so can't make a prediction.

                    But I assume the rates have be selected based on modeling towards the goal of being self-sustaining. In that light it will come down to if external factors change EV uptake. I.e. another fuel price spike like when Russia invaded Ukraine.

                    Personally, I feel the annual rebalance is a bad idea, and having an automated system tweaking the rates fortnightly or monthly would be a better idea. A year is a long time to ride things out if the situation changes, as we found out in the first year of the scheme, a $100m+ shortfall was caused by things like the petrol price spike, and the release of some popular new EV models / refreshes to NZ. And as our fleet becomes greener, the changes to keep the scheme balances will be negative (reduced rebates / increased fees) every single year, which is bad press for the government. having it automated fortnightly, would mean it is no longer newsworthy.

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    PiRACY on 15/08/2023 - 21:44

    -1

    Aka: Robbing Peter to pay Paul.

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  nzmax on 15/08/2023 - 19:15

  I think the MG4 could be a better deal over time if the price drops a bit https://mgmotor.co.nz/models/mg-mg4/

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    scott on 15/08/2023 - 23:32

    +2

    I posted the MG4 when launch pricing was announced:

    https://www.cheapies.nz/node/41277

    Agree that the MG4 is a better deal, but feel it is close enough that it comes down to the buyers tastes. Ultimately the Corsa-e on offer is the well specified spec SRi version, but the upper spec MG4 is only available with bigger battery pack's, and comes in quite a bit more expensive, so I felt the MG4 excite 51 was the most logical comparison point:

    Advantage MG4 51kWh Excite:
    - About $3k cheaper
    - More powerful (125kW vs 100kW) & faster (7.7s 0-100km/h vs 8.1s)
    - RWD
    - LFP battery chemistry (more stable and degradation resistant, but heavier)
    - Better warranty (unlimited km for non commercial)
    - 500kg tow rating (vs Zero)
    - Vehicle to load (2.2Kw Vs zero)
    - Slightly bigger car
    - Bigger boot
    - Bigger tires (215/50 R17 vs 205/45 R17)

    Advantage Corsa-e SRi:
    - Longer range (383km vs 350kM WLTP)
    - Faster DC charging (30min 10% - 80% vs 37min)
    - More conventional appearance
    - Not from China
    - auto dimming rear view mirror
    - stearing & seat heating
    - 180 degree camera (rear and side camera's for a birds eye view)
    - lane keep assist
    - 6 speaker audio (vs 4 speakers)
    - Better payload (475kg vs 448kg)
    - Better turning circle (10.4m vs 10.6m)
    - Smaller car (fort tight parking etc)
    - Blind spot monitoring
    - Lighter car
    - One touch front and rear windows.