Only a few thousands more expensive compared to Model 3, and the earliest delivery starts from Aug 2022, much sooner than Model 3's 9-12 month waiting time.
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For price comparison, the base model Y in the USA starts at US$58,990 (different spec to our base, their is AWD etc.). Works out to $92,000 on a straight current conversion (before gst added), or $120k on the double the USD price rule of thumb to get NZ gst inclusive pricing.
Being able to get a model Y for cira NZ$70k after rebate, must make NZ one of the cheapest markets in the world to buy the model Y. Very unusual in NZ where we usually pay much higher prices for car's than the likes of the USA.
And I bet there are plenty of people in the USA that would jump at the RWD, LFP battery base configuration we are getting here if it was offered.
The NZ one is also far slower. The US one does 0-100km/h in 4.8 seconds, but it does have two motors. I wonder if the NZ one could be a bit underpowered.
Absolute the NZ spec is slower.
They don't advertise power, but with a 0-100km/h time of 6.9 sec for the NZ base version, it is far from under-powered.
The US don't get the MIC Teslas because of the 25% tariffs for cars from China.
NZ doesn't impose tariffs on MIC products.
@Fragluton: That is why many items here are made in China, whereas in other regions it would be made somewhere else. Pyrex not made in the USA and Oral-B toothbrushes not made in Germany comes to mind.
Are Tesla still advertising the price after fuel savings as being the price but not actually?
Lol, just had a look, they are albeit it's now no longer the main price tag but a secondary price, but it has now tripled. It was 5k on the Model S. It's 15k on the Model Y.
So dodgy.
"No worries ma'am, the solar water heater will cost -$700 in one easy payment of $3,000. I mean, you'll pay us $3,000 for it, but over 3 years you'll pay the power company $3,700 less than you would an average hot water heater that isn't necessarily the same one that you have."
Yes, but the actual price you pay is in black bold text. The price after estimated savings is in smaller grey text, so not that intrusive.
Yep, noted that in the follow up.
That's a more recent change, though. Previously the big black bold text was the price AFTER fuel savings, then only after you proceeded further did it did a light grey "Purchase Price"
Here's an older version of it from their American site, the NZ version was the same (actually it was much worse when they only had the Model S listed):
https://i0.wp.com/www.teslarati.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/…Tesla: "Select your model, like this one which is a reasonable $30,700"
Tesla: "Syke! Pay me $45,000!"Cheers. Was aware. Still don't like quoiting an "after estimated savings" price at all, but the new configuration with the emphasis on the actual price you pay is a big improvement.
I remember companies selling LED light bulbs used to do this sort of thing, when LEDs were really expensive. .
For those who wonder what are the differences… beside foldable back seat is there anything else worth paying the premium?
The Tesla Model 3 is a sedan, while the Model Y is a hatchback SUV. Naturally that comes with a few differences in the overall look of the car and what you get on the inside.
Being a sedan means the Model 3 has a much sleeker and sportier profile than the Model Y. It’s closer to the ground, and has a much flatter hood. However, that design comes with some drawbacks, as you’ll only find 15 cubic feet of rear trunk space
The Model Y comes with 36 cubic feet, on account of the noticeably larger SUV design. It’s two inches longer and wider than the Model 3, as a whopping seven inches taller. While you can squeeze five people into a Model 3, the Model Y’s larger design means they’re going to be a lot more comfortable on long drives.
Depends what you want in a car.
Big advantage is more cargo space. Y fits 9 banana boxes in the boot + 1 in the frunk. Model 3 fits 6+1.
Tow rating is a lot higher 1580kg vs 910kg.
A little more interior space.
More ground clearance (27mm)
bigger 19" wheels include in base trim.
Premium audio – 13 speakers, 1 subwoofer, 2 amps, and immersive sound (in base trim)
2x wireless phone chargers (not one)
Latest Tesla to become available…
But for those who don't value the above, the model 3 is faster and cheaper.
Thanks good info thanks! Faster and cheaper beats everything else! Let me get myself a couple of model 3 so I have free shipping… Wait… Where's my money?
Lol, Perhaps something with two wheels could suit your fast and cheap criteria.
Does the back seats not fold down in the Model 3?
The do, but it is a sedan, so the boot roof is fixed in place, so not really optimal for packing big stuff or lots of stuff.
with the back seats folded, the model 3 fits a total of 17 banana boxes, where the model Y fits 26.
As a crossover, the Y has much more mass appeal and will maintain its value better than the 3, and Teslas already maintain their value much better than other brands. Sedans are dying a slow death in terms of market demand, these days the average sedan buyer wants crossovers and SUVs instead.
Model Y comes with electric tailgate as standard
Model 3 also comes with electric tailgate as standard
Does this take the cake for the most expensive item ever on Cheapies?
Could well do so, But I think it is a fair post.
This base configuration is not offered in markets like the USA, where the model Y starts at US$58,990, so we are way cheaper than that.
The same base config is being offered in Aussie, but at AUD74000, works out to NZD $82k.
Doubt there are many markets that you can drive away in a model Y for around NZ$70k (after rebates).
Being the cheapest Tesla market - China (since Tesla 3&Y are manufactured there), Chinese consumers still have to pay $316,900 yuan for the base RWD model (no clean car rebates in China for vehicles over $300K yuan). That's equivalent to $74K NZD, still more expensive than our NZ$70k after rebates. For once in a lifetime, we actually buy something cheaper in NZ.
Any free shipping codes?
Yes, but it is targeted, and you have to spend over $80k - could buy two I guess.
Then you would likely miss out on the governments $8000+ discount.
Still buy 2 for price of 2 sounds like a pretty sweet deal 👍🏻
@Jaxson: If you hold off, they might do a two for the price of three offer - then you'd really be in it!
Anyone has a spare $78k?
Why do they charge a $400 'order fee'? It is advertised initially on their main page as $76,200. but when you enter your payment details, they then charge a big delivery fee and order fee which totals about $1800.
Can't believe people buy prototypes for 78k and volunteer esentially to be a test subject. The way the media can be used to brain wash.. oh wait i mean "influence" people is pretty insane.
Should end up being about 70k with the discount. But I see your point, except that this is now quite a mature technology. My biggest concern is electrics failing, like door handles which is a common failure on some teslas. People always have to pay more for newer technology.
Its not yet mature, homes not equiped to properly charge these fast, self driving not yet complete, build quality is shit compared to equivilant costing cars, and the electrics failing as you mentioned. Battery technology also needs a bit of improving in my opinion.
To me personally, this is a prototype of a car, or the car is in beta if you do software. The more people buy it, the better it gets due to the data being harvested of each customer. I'd wait till the tech actually matures, in the mean time hybrid cars are pretty decent.
Other manufacturers have been doing EVs, as well as hybrids for quite along time. I would expect Toyotas and Lexus EVs that are now coming out to be good. Nissan Leafs for example have been around for quite a while and reasonably reliable, except for the range dropping over time. Tesla are more cutting edge with their technology. But even petrol cars these days are becoming more like computers and can be buggy. In the UK the average age of a car is about 10, whereas in NZ is is probably closer to 20, and I don't think we can really expect EVs to last much longer than 10 due to the batteries.
@nzmax: Agree with nzmax here and I'd disagree on blaze's perception of charging, I'd say it's more than mature enough.
For 99.99% of the driving most do, you don't need any more than a 2.2 kW charging overnight from a normal 10A plug in your house to fully charge the battery.
The fast charging and super charging infrastructure around the country now has expanded a lot to account for EVs (not just Tesla) and can easily support road trips nowadays.I believe you can even install wall chargers if you really think you need more than 10A at home, and can get to 32A if your house has 3 Phase.
The full self-driving, however, is definitely sketch, and still in "beta" even in the US, let alone NZ. It's a total rort and waste of money to do that now, as it offers nothing to Kiwis.
"Basic" autopilot is just a smarter cruise control and lane assist (with distance assist), so not really a "Tesla" thing, and all manufacturers have the same or smililar tech in their modern fleet.Feel free to knock Teslas for their cost to value ratio, but don't knock the entire EV industry, as I believe they've come a long way, and is definitely mature enough to be adopted.
@venomin: We wired up for a 32A three phase outlet in the garage on our new house. It was way outside the electricians own knowledge, we had two sparkies and neither knew much about wiring up for EVs.
@nzmax: Sparky brother in laws company has had full training on installing car charging setups and they now specialise in it, so it's just a matter of finding a company who knows what they're doing. Installing 3 phase should be bread and butter for any qualified electrician.
@nzmax: I'm no expert, but why would you need three-phase to get a 30A circuit?
Our oven is on a 30A circuit, and as far as I am aware (feel free to tell me I am wrong), so has every oven we've had (except the gas ones of course) with houses built from the 1970s, and to the best of my knowledge, none of the houses ever had three-phase power.
Is it something specific to do with a card charger?
@Alan6984: A three phase 32A circuit allows you to put 3x the power as a 32a single phase circuit obviously, so if the car can support it, it'll pull up to 21kW instead of 7kW. Depends on the specifications of the charger in the car(ev chargers are actually just ultra safe power supplies).
@Alan6984: 30A output is respective to the voltage when calculating output. So if you double the voltage but match the current, you double the power.
Additionally three phase is 400V, standard EV batteries are 400V.
To direct DC charge you don't need to step up the voltage, reducing loss and complexity in the system.
Just rectify the AC to DC.
Not that I don't think it's overkill. We just use an 8A 240V charger and that gives us enough for a Browns Bay > Ponsonby return commute in less than three hours (which is also conveniently the amount of time that we get for free with the Contact free power at night plan that I signed up via Cheapies).
May Power Bill:
01 May 2022 - 31 May 2022
650.380 kWh
used total
Includes 235.230 kWh FREEHer Smart Electric Drive is literally free to run. Her daily $10 commute is now $0.
@danvelopment: All your 400V comments are wide of the mark.
The multi phase chargers built into EV's typically run in "Star" configuration rather than "delta". Think of this as three chargers, each drawing (typically) 16A between each phase and natural, and hence seeing 230V.
Also the pack voltages are quite a bit under 400V, and the charging process definitely needs to be controlled, so just using a rectifier is a no go.
Advantages of three phase power at home for ev charging are:
- More total energy available to the house, so less likely to max out pole fuses etc.
- Some EV's (incl the model Y) can charge at 11kW on three phase power (3x 16A x 230v), where they can only charge at 7.4kW on single phase power (1x 32A x230v). Frankly not a huge deal on sub 90kWh pack sizes, but once we start to see EV's cross that number (likely less efficient stuff like large vans & utes), then 7.4kW is getting a bit slow if somebody comes home near flat, and wants the car fully charged for the next day.
Plenty of people are early adopters, But I don't think your "prototypes" critique is fair.
The model Y went in production in the USA back in Jan 2020, so the model is getting close to 2.5 years old now. The china factory has been cranking these out in LHD for months, and have made cars in RHD for the UK market that were delivered back in Feb.
From what I have herd, the build quality of the cars out of china has been really good.
Obviously the "full self driving" is not really functional as named, but that is an optional extra that I wouldn't take.
I agree. Whilst there is a fan-boi element with Tesla, and once someone has publicly made statements like that, few people have the self-confidence to change their minds for fear of thinking them-self a fool, but clearly, by definition, the Model Y is not a prototype once it is in production.
There were valid criticisms that teals pushed the model Y into production before it was ready (all those video's of water raining down into the cabin from the the rear hatch seal), but really that stuff is two years in the past now.
Other countries got the early production cars, Should be well mature by now.
Yeah, nah. The guy is a Trumper. Can't justify giving money to his company
By that logic you can't even buy a pillow from the my pillow guy! :(
Will hold out for a BOGOF.
this vs BYD atto 3?
I heard the insurance cost is high for telsa which may limit savings.
If someone likes to just get from a to b without using fuel then perhaps a second hand leaf import may be reasonable to actually save on patrol if that is the aim?
First generation after rebate around $9000
https://www.2cheapcars.co.nz/used-vehicles/nissan/leaf/85170And second generation with 79% battery life around 13k after rebate
https://www.2cheapcars.co.nz/used-vehicles/nissan/leaf/85649
Tesla offers their own insurance in the States, hopefully it will expand to other markets.
New BYD Atto 3 (when it comes) and even the MG ZS EV offers pretty good value I think, with the ~$9000 rebate for sure!
Just remember that second-hand cars (like the ones you've linked) "only" get $3450 rebate, and no rebate if you buy one that's already been registered in NZ (so people don't double-dip everytime a car sells).fair enough, but the % of discount is very favourable (for lower cost second hand import), and much more likely to save more than the cost of the car (compared to Tesla) but they are essentially appealing to different people.. a sports car vs a car that gets you A to B economically within a much shorter distance..
I worked it out at about $1500 per year, but could get it under $1000 for a $2500 excess. That is for a model 3.
If someone can actually afford a Tesla (rather than buying it, but not really being able to afford it), then they are going to have a significant excess - why would they throw money away on a small excess that they will be able to cover off themselves.
No point in insuring risks you can easily cover for yourself.
BYD Atto 3
I'll save my money for BYD Atto 3 and be a real cheapie.
I just need $78,240 more to buy one!
Just wait till your government payment comes in, you'll be even closer!
Yep loving the government payments :)
I bet they have cut every cost they can to get it under 80k
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Oh wait.. I'm in the wrong post. HahaNope, Tesla is so overpriced. If the govt really wants people to switch to EVs then they should allow more Chinese EVs, they've got pretty good quality and design as well.
I think Mitsubishi ones are going to be made in China. Also we do have MG ones which apparently is now a Chinese company, not sure how good or reliable they are. But apparently it will be quite normal for new EVs coming out of China to have a 1000km range before too long..
Will The Warehouse pricematch this?
Use this code for 10% discount "COMEONYOURERICHYOUDONTNEEDACODE"
might be able to afford these in 20 years in the used market
Given the build quality of Teslas I'm not sure they'll last 20 years
Must be the most expensive thing I bought from cheapies. 🙂
I think delivery already pushed out to Nov / Dec
Anyone know if you can still apply for the Clean Car Discount ($8625) if purchased the Model Y under a NZ registered Company?
yes, all new cars should be bought like this to save 15%.
Unfortunately, its not quite as simple as that if you want to use it for other than purely business purposes.
FBT :-(
That's stating the obvious, tax can get complicated.
Just need to get the right accountant. Someone like saul goodman.
CA's have their ethics trainings so are difficult.
Home offices are also a good cash cow right now.
@Bill: Yep - easy for people to think you can save 15% without understanding the implications, and totally agree that you should use a CA :-)
OzBargain feedback if you want a laugh