If I was the the store/company, I would be pissed too when promo is given in good faith and others circumvent the rules .There are times where you are helping the vendors fix their systems which is perfectly ok, but publishing details like getting 20 Sim cards and using gmail.xxx alias may not be a good idea?
if you are doing it dont publish it ?
other than inflation and margins are tight, deals are getting far in between and thin.
Or is there is discrete way we can do this and share ?
not walling but using common sense to exploit the rules
If a company is using a promo as a loss leader (i.e. selling below cost to gain over the long term) they can limit the offer
e.g.
1 per person in store id required
1 per delivery address
limit total quantity of the offer
Even without posting a deal here the company should expect many people will want to maximize their benefits of a promo. So they should create the promo with limits they are happy with (terms and conditions).
A while ago i worked for a big retailer and someone got on here (i think the forum) and laid out all the non-public skus stores had farting around. It caused issues instore because people were hsowing up expecting things for cheap that were actually not sellable. It was a major deal and a bit of a dick move because the person absolutely must've had access to their internal inventory.
That said, for clearance stuff, calling ahead (store to store to buy internally) was riskier than jus tputting it through because other staff would see the 'deal' and just lie about availability or whatever and buy it themselves!
I'd rather be in good faith towards stores here, especially smaller guys, although I have zero opinion about things that rip off the likes of woolworths or paknsave.
The likes of The Warehouse Group was super generous with people here for years eating tens of thousands in losses on multiple deals. The constant free shipping codes sharing, the $5 off coupons that could be reused, the $5 off 1-day that happened 3+ times, supplying people here with PS5 Disc when digital sold out at no cost to the buyer etc.
Orders never got cancelled/refunded unless there was a lack of stock, wild.
Some of that was the warehouse essentially paying to gain market share, with the goal of The Market, becoming the Amazon of NZ.
Sadly didn't work out, and they never got enough growth to enter the entification phase, opting to shut it down instead.
Part of that was offering sweet deals (and honoring error deals to avoid burning goodwill).
The 11% coupons were great.
The market was probably doomed from the start though, customers not knowing the market wasn’t just Facebook marketplace was a big one but also having stores on there competing against the warehouse group stores was always gonna be a challenge
Also iirc at a time because they charged a large item fee it would be $70 more expensive to buy a tv, that’s already in the store, for pickup through the market than the Noel Leeming store.
And this sounds dumb but other twg stores have personality but the market was corporate af feeling
The big difference is amazon warehouses and sells goods, the market was purely a middle man market place for the warehouse group and anyone else that signed up. They then mudied the waters by cloning the site on to the warehouse site. Had the warehouse at least pretended the market was its own retailer that sold all of its stores product's under one banner from tje central distribution that was also a market place it might have made slightly more sense.
@Everettpsycho: oh on that note. Our market pickup location was a vet for some reason, despite there being a warehouse and a noel leeming in town.
Honestly the upvote and downvote & report functions here are really good.
The community and mods are fantastic.
I dont see any need to 'white knight' or have addittonal rules other than what we have in place.
There will always be people that will take advantage of a deal, its just more open here.
Remember businesses are not your friends.
Fine to support a business with your $$ or recommendation but end of the day we are just costumers to them.
Sure and agree with you on that respect, that is what is site is all about. But sometimes the deal gets shutdown very quickly due to one or two get too greedy and others missing out completely.
That does happen sometimes but it's out of our control. We can't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Honestly the upvote and downvote & report functions here are really good.
The community and mods are fantastic.
I dont see any need to 'white knight' or have addittonal rules other than what we have in place.
There will always be people that will take advantage of a deal, its just more open here.
Remember businesses are not your friends.
Fine to support a business with your $$ or recommendation but end of the day we are just costumers to them.
{Pulls out vintage harlequin outfit}
Personally when I see someone taking about using 20 Sim cards to get stuff from places like Waitomo it makes me wonder if this person understands how these promotions work. There is a limited pool of "big" prizes, and once they're gone everyone else. gets the "booby prize."
Just reeks of greed to me.
Likewise people using them to get free stuff from businesses who are often franchises who have no choice but to take part, and have to pay for the free stuff.
On the other hand, big business? Unlimited pool? Not being paid for by the store owner (I always check)? Then no problem.
Yes big business who hike the prices just because they can or Shrinkflation.
Or the quality is so bad (think uber eats) where you pay 30% yet the merchant knows about the deal so the quality/quantity goes south intentionally.
The merchant/store does not know about the deal, they still get paid full price for the order.
They might not know about the deal but they definitely know if it's an UberEats order, in which case they're having to sacrifice ~30% for the UberEats cut or there's a mark up to account for the UberEats fee.
@mpc: There's always a markup, but they aren't just going to make the order worse as Savy101 suggested.
I suspect they do understand.
Yes, it is greed, but that is human nature to some extent.
I am not quite willing to go to the effort of getting 20 sim cards, but If I was willing to, absolutely I would give priority to myself above a group of internet strangers, that might come at a later time…
Personally don't really see the ownership structure of the business as my issue either, when it comes to getting sweet deals.
Not sure if we are shooting ourselves in the foot, but there are some people who do take the piss (Sim cards are good example)
Very much depends on the retailer thou… if it's someone like Briscoes who take the piss re their sales then it's clearly different vs some single mum running a bakery or something.
The way I see it, is that retailers set their pricing & promotion's.
Nothing wrong with consumers availing sweet deals when offered.
Delving a littler deeper, the deals tend to fit into three categories:
Clearance / overstock deals: Stuff like the deep discounts on mach-e's last year & the half price Lexus RZ at the moment would be examples. The retailers have more stock on hand than current market conditions can support (and often don't want to keep aging stock around for various reasons), so are offering sweet deals to get that stock to move. In these cases, the sharing of great deals, and bringing them to the attention of potential purchasers is great for the retailer. In the case of the Mach-e, it seems all of the new 2023 stock is gone, with just the odd ex demo remaining. Puts ford NZ in a good spot when the post facelift Mach-e's start arriving into NZ.
Super sharp pricing (perhaps a loss leader) to gain market share. Items like the Kogan mobile half price deal, or mighty mobile half price deal would be an example. Essentially they are running sharp pricing to build market share. Likely this pricing isn't sustainable long term, but the brands strategy is to build market share first (likely with a goal to crank up prices later). As with clearance stock, sharing these kind of deal's brings more attention to the brand which is exactly what they want.
Price errors / Stupid price structures / Milking new customer deals.
-On price errors, as retailers are setting the prices, it is really up to them to have policies in place to avoid losses through price error's. NZ is kinda on their side too, In that they can refund transactions if they notice before goods change hands. If somebody is going to get the advantage of a price error, might as well be the cheapies community. That said, a price error getting hammered is likely to draw more attention to it, so I have waited untill my goods have shipped before posting a price error on here.
- Stupid Price structures. Things like Amazon AU offering free shipping (airfreight), on things like giant packs of toilet paper & Gym weights. Brands offering $xx off vouchers with no minimum spend (and sometime['s free shipping). Again this is on the retailer, who am I to tell them it is a stupid ideal to offer free airfreight on Gym weights…. And I don't know their numbers, perhaps there is still margin in the deal for them. Must say I felt a little guilty when 20+ packages from the same e-retailer turned up over the course of three day's (they had a $xx discount code stacked with free shipping, so it made perfect sense for me to do a separate transaction for every item)
- Milkable new customer deals. Stuff like $xx of first transaction, with the unique identifier being email address that can easily be changed. Personally don't like how the business world has changed from rewarding loyalty to rewarding people who move their business around. And I am not a big fan of price discrimination, so I have no issue availing new customer discounts as an existing customer.
Must say there is a loophole or two I have chosen not to post here, to minimize the odds of it being closed (sadly the best one got closed regardless)
Great details thanks.
I meant comments section not actual published deals. Cannot edit it sorry
No issues there. Its the commentators flaunting openly that according to one retailer closed it down and not offer again.
Businesses are the ones that make these offers. If they fail to think it thru properly and there are loopholes that allow for others to gain on them, that is on them.
They are making decisions to help their business, and not all ideas work out. So what. Some places may struggle with it. Thats business.
People simping for companies like when you use their advertised policies and hold them to it like Mitre 10 with the 15% saying that its not fair on them really annoy me. They publish these things to attract customers so they get the bad side of them as well when people buy things and they end up losing money.
Agreed, every single thing I've purchased from Mitre10 has been price beaten with Bunnings who were 1 cent cheaper. Some people think I'm taking the piss but it's really on them. Can't advertise that policy to attract customers and then not follow through!
Amen to that 🙌🏽
Half the deals posted to CC are shit tier anyway, compared to what's available on the aussie equivalent. very rare to find a deal actually worth it.
its really fallen off unfortunately. First cheapes deal I did got me a bunch of nice hoodies and shirts for like $110, almost like a 'first hit is free' from a dealer
There are sometimes some really good deals, but they are rare. Probably less than 5-10 a year.
Kind of goes against the purpose of Cheapies to start walling off deals.