500ml bottle for the price of a 250ml.
Pretty good price for Listerine.
Free pickup in-store for $30+ orders.
Else $3 pickup or $5.00 shipping.
(your standard mouthwash product description)
Use Listerine Total Care to help:
• Reduce plaque
• Protect healthy gums
• Strengthen teeth against cavities
• Prevent tartar to keep teeth naturally white
• Kill germs
• Provide long lasting fresh breath
Any citation to support such a claim?
It's a myth that's been on the internet for a number of years. There's no evidence that there's any link, a study in Europe a couple of years ago started it up again - https://www.nhs.uk/news/cancer/is-frequent-mouthwash-use-lin…
The possible link between mouthwash and mouth and throat cancers needs to be clarified. If there is a link, it is currently unclear whether it could be related to the alcohol contained in mouthwash, or whether the link is caused by poor oral health and not a direct effect of mouthwash at all. It could be that poor oral health or dental hygiene increases the risk, and people with poorer health are also more likely to use mouthwash.
We all get it wrong sometimes, this product itself used to say 'restores enamel' on the label before finally taking it off..
True. Yes, the claim 'restores enamel' was insulting to the intelligence. Just shows that the marketing department will put anything on the label they can get away with in terms of the benefits. If only they applied the same standard for evidence in the claims for benefits as they require for the risks ;)
It is a pity, that with products, where there is a risk to health involved, we need to put a serious fight for them to put the risks on the labels. Like all the hormone-disrupting chemicals in products like Colgate Total, some antibacterial soaps, some lipsticks, most sunscreens, even in most canned food. They make women age reproductively, contribute to weight gain, and very likely contribute to the decreasing male fertility.
So looking at your links I guess the answer to my question is no, you have no citation to support your claims.
Obviously, you did not get my point. Do you want a direct study citation? Here you go:
"There is now sufficient evidence to accept the proposition that developing oral cancer is increased or contributed to by the use of alcohol-containing mouthwashes. "
"it would be wise to restrict their use to short-term therapeutic situations…"
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1834-7819.2008.…
http://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2009/01/14/does-mout…
Despite what the Australian study claims, there is still not enough evidence to suggest that using mouthwash that contains alcohol will increase the risk of mouth cancer. The most important risk factors for mouth cancer are smoking and drinking more than three units of alcohol a day.
There is not enough evidence to say that it doesn't cause cancer! :)
I happen to know a bit about studies. And the kind of evidence level they are after, it is very hard to reach without a few randomised double-blind controlled trials, which they will never do for this kind of product.
And if you claim that there is still not enough evidence using a mouthwash that contains 21% of alcohol will increase the risk of oral cancer. I can say, that the opposite has not been proven by science either. They have no proof of its safety. Therefore, there is not enough evidence to say that it doesn't cause cancer!
Why would you use mouthwash? Use water. Brushing your teeth is what improves oral health. Get a waterpick if you want to go beyond brushing. This is my sincere recommendation to you.
I refer you back to your original comment:
This stuff causes oral cancer.
I'm not sure how "there is still not enough evidence to suggest that using mouthwash that contains alcohol will increase the risk of mouth cancer" can be interpreted to mean "this stuff causes oral cancer". There is absolutely no evidence that it causes cancer, end of story. Plenty of stuff hasn't been proven to not cause cancer (double negative, I know), that doesn't mean that everything causes cancer.
It seems like a small thing for you to spouting off about something being cancer causing when there's no evidence to prove it, but it's part of a larger anti-science movement that's really dangerous and is causing problems for the health of our society, setting us back by years.
Michael McCullough, Associate Professor, Oral Medicine, The University of Melbourne says
"There is now sufficient evidence to accept the proposition that developing oral cancer is increased or contributed to by the use of alcohol-containing mouthwashes. "
"it would be wise to restrict their use to short-term therapeutic situations…"
Are you a scientist or have you been trained to assess scientific evidence? :) My suspicion is that you are not. Because if you were, you would say that this is a controversial subject and that my claim has not been proven wrong.
Now we're going around in circles, that's the Australian study (really just an analysis of previous studies) being discussed by the Cancer Research UK blog, the one that clearly says:
When scientists talk about having sufficient evidence, we would expect to find lots of studies that are saying the same thing and that can explain why there might be a link. In this case, although we can see why there might be a link, the research is not telling us the same thing. There are only a small number of studies and they largely disagree. The evidence about mouthwash and mouth cancer is not consistent let alone ‘sufficient’.
and
Despite what the Australian study claims, there is still not enough evidence to suggest that using mouthwash that contains alcohol will increase the risk of mouth cancer.
The thing that amuses me is you linked this article as well and I'm assuming that you didn't actually read it because it doesn't back any of your claims. Personally I find your "training in assessing scientific evidence" a bit of a joke.
Yes, I linked to it, as it was meant to be helpful. It is a blogpost by an information officer of a charity. That blogpost shows how methodological flaws are used to discredit peer-reviewed research. That blogpost is not a study. It has not been published in a scientific magazine, and the information officer is not a professor from a university who values his or her reputation. That blogpost has not been through the rigorous process of peer review. It is for intelligent people to read critically. This is the reason I linked to it :)
My reference is a peer-reviewed scientific journal, not some blogpost. A big difference there :)
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Can someone vote me up please :) You have effectively kicked me out, for my sincere concern for your health :)
People upvote what they support,the negative votes are showing there is support against you not that anyone is trying to kick you out. Also btw there is a max to how much you can downvote (just found that out ;) )
Thanks. When I saw all of my comments collapsed, I assumed, that this was happening to all of my comments.
It saddens me immensely that the message did not get through not even to a single person. But to summarise:
"There is now sufficient evidence to accept the proposition that developing oral cancer is increased or contributed to by the use of alcohol-containing mouthwashes. "
"it would be wise to restrict their use to short-term therapeutic situations…"
This is not from a blog, this is scientific journal reference. From a study by:
Michael McCullough
Associate Professor
Oral Medicine
Melbourne Dental School
The University of Melbourne
720 Swanston Street
Melbourne, Victoria 3010
Email: [email protected]
I really hope that you will take this into account. Alcohol is carcinogenic and it is unjustified to use it in a mouthwash, where just simple toothpaste will do much better job.
Here you go! Even small amounts of alcohol increase the risk of cancer https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/well/live/cancer-doctors-…
"The formation of acetaldehyde starts when alcohol comes in contact with bacteria in the mouth, which may explain the link between alcohol and cancers of the throat, voice box and esophagus, Susan Gapstur, vice president for epidemiology at the American Cancer Society suggested."
Let it go! just face it, your argument is unsubstantiated.
I know, Mykey, you're hopeless at facing and accepting the facts. http://www.businessinsider.com/why-do-people-believe-fake-ne…
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