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All Public Transport Half Price from April 1st for 3 Months, 25¢ Per Litre Tax Reduction for 3 Months at The Government
Fuel price reductions start at midnight 15/03/22 nationwide for all fuel grades.
All Public Transport Half Price from April 1st for 3 Months, 25¢ Per Litre Tax Reduction for 3 Months @ The Government
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@Alan6984: Not really no, I haven't been to a petrol station in years.
I know that you have a learning difficulty which impairs your comprehension, which is why you can't understand that my comment was about other people buying petrol and not myself.
Can we have the election now ?!!
Sure - she will be more than happy to call it now for you, all you have to do is ask…. nicely.
Power is addictive, not to be relinquished that easily.
Thank them in November 2023!
How does this work with RUCs? They are distance based, the reduction will have to be based on average fuel economy.
My rough calculations are that a diesel vehicle that does 9.38 L/100km or 93.8 L/1000km would be the equivalent of 0.81$/L or 76 $/1000km RUC. Therefore a 0.25 $/L (or 0.56 $/L) should result in a reduction in RUC from 76 to 56 $/100km.
While the reduction in petrol tax is only for 3 months, what's to stop me from buying a massive amount of RUC (like good enough for a few years) at this reduced rate?
My diesel car is looking like a bargain to run suddenly.
Yeah, unintended consequences…haha
How does this work with RUCs?
It doesn't.
They are working it now and will announce in a few days.
Presumably they will limit how much you can buy at the discounted rate?
Presumably they will limit how much you can buy at the discounted rate?
It's going to be very complicated to implement this. Some commercial diesel vehicles (like buses and trucks) do huge number of kms per year, others hardly any.
So I wonder how 3 months worth of RUC will be calculated…perhaps look at past usage for the individual vehicle and give some sort of rebate, but this method could also be fraught with complexity.
""Nationwide on a litre of petrol, about 48 percent is Government taxes and levies," says Louis Houlbrooke of the New Zealand Taxpayers' Union."
$0.25c off is nice but bugger all really. When you consider that tax is about 48% of gas cost, (at the pump), and last year gas was about $1.80/L now it's $3.25/L, (91), the Govt was getting approx $0.86c/L last year and recently $1.56c/L - I think they can EASILY afford to remove $0.25c and hardly miss it. Anyway that's going to save me a whole $10 on filling a mostly empty tank and that means about a $5 saving per week in fuel costs, (mostly used for travelling to work). And that's IF the local gas stations take the whole $0.25c off - and then if they do - I'll bet you anything within a week it's mostly put back on again.
What a waste of time !
Anyone know if this covers the ferry to rangitoto or waiheke? Thanks
Pretty sure I heard that it will NOT affect the fullers Waiheke (and therefor presume Rangitoto) ferry
sad face
Yeah halved the price to also encourage people to ditch their cars and take public transport. Last time I check, you can't drive to Waiheke lol.
Try an Aquada?
@The Hound: Ah well - just stay on Waiheke, glass of wine in hand, and be philosophical about it all.
Now for Waitomo CEO's turn to say "Sorry I caused the stampede on Friday, here are some bonus moolah!!" lol
We picked up an EV on Saturday (38KM total daily commute).
When combined with the Good Nights plan with Contact found via Cheapies:
Monday, 14 Mar 2022
24.840 kWh used total
Includes 11.020 kWh FREEPower has gone up 2KWh per day paid electricity (50c) and petrol cost is now 0 down from 3.2L (so about $10 at the moment).
But how much was the EV? And don't say used Leaf because they lack range and won't suit most people.
I would be interested to know too.
A year ago, the economics only made sense if you were doing a fair mileage, but with fuel prices up to, say, $3.00 per litre, and likely to be at least $3.25 in three months time (assuming the excise goes back on then), I suspect the economics are now making sense for a lot more people.
15.5k minus a 3.5k rebate (12k). A Smart Electric Drive. 38KM uses 30% of the battery.
Also lol on your Leaf comment. Where are "most people" driving that a Leaf doesn't have enough range? Are "most people" making daily trips Auckland to Hamilton?
Last I heard most people sit in gridlock in Auckland for 20KM, then turn around home and sit in grid lock for another 20KM at 5pm.
I'm planning to get a Leaf myself as it'll get me Browns Bay to East Tamaki and back with charge to spare.
Worst case scenario, if you really needed full range on occasion, would be to get a 2k banger and only use it when you need it.
Calculating only on the commute, $9.50 in savings per day, 5 days a week, 48 weeks a year is 2.3k in fuel savings per year. + weekends, trips to the supermarket, out to dinner etc.
Hi danvelopment,
Is that $12,000 (net of rebate) for a Nissan Leaf? I am inferring that the fully charged battery is good for around 125km (roughly - 38km / 30%) so a theoretical maximum range (outbound) of about 60km, maybe call it 50km to be safe (which would be plenty for many people's daily commute I guess).
How old is the vehicle, and how many cycles has the battery done - can you tell? I am wondering how far away from the range becoming an issue the batteries might be?
If you have gotten to the point of negotiating with the dealer, have you asked about a warranty on the batteries (separate to any mechanical / bodywork warranties that might or might not apply)?
Thanks,
Alan.
@Alan6984: That 12K price is for a "Smart Electric Drive", it's okay if you missed that, cos I did not know there's such a car too…haha
@akrotohur: Okay - Not sure what that means?
@danvelopment said that they were 'planning to get a Leaf' - so I had inferred that the 'Smart Electric Drive' was some kind of generic term for an EV, but maybe not?
@akrotohur: Okay - I had never heard of a brand / model called 'Smart Electric Drive', but looks like it is a JV between Mercedes and a Chinese business called 'Zhejiang Geely Holding Group Co. Ltd'.
Interesting all the new marques these days :-)
@Alan6984: I'm so looking forward to the Chinese bringing their range of EVs into NZ, but it's probably going to be a while before that happens…haha
@akrotohur: That MG EV model is the closest we can get for now. With the $8k rebate, it is the cheapest EV in NZ ($40 grand?). I reckon it would have been cheaper without the MG badge, but certain markets still need some familiarity.
@Alan6984: It's a Smart Fortwo with an electric motor and battery.
Have you never seen a Smart car before?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_Fortwo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_electric_drive
I've currently got a 2009 Petrol as well, but the 2014 EV version we have is significantly better so the petrol one is now for sale.
It came from GVI, it has a one year battery warranty, and this isn't my first EV I've ever owned.
A couple years back I had a Mitsubishi Minicab MIEV for three years which was AMAZING and I totally regret selling it as they basically doubled in price after I did. There's one on TradeMe now but it's in pretty crappy condition.
@danvelopment: I have seen plenty of EVs (Toyota Prius, Teslas Nissan Leafs etc etc) but prior to this discussion I had never heard of the 'Smart Electric Drive' brand, and their naming makes it sound generic, rather than a particular marque (at least to me). Bit like naming your vehicle 'Smooth quick engine', rather than 'Toyota' or even 'Camry' - bit of a marketing fail for them if someone is extolling the virtues (such as you) and the recipient of your recommendation (such as me) doesn't recognise it as such!
However, I am with you now :-)
So, what was your reference to the Nissan Leaf? You seemed to be implying that it was a good option for you? Are you thinking you will sell your 2014 Smart Electric Drive and purchase a Nissan Leaf instead? If so, what would be the advantage of the Leaf?
Thanks,
Alan.
@Alan6984: No, sell the 2009 Smart Fortwo Petrol car and buy a Leaf.
Smart primarily make petrol vehicles, and have been around a long time. 30 years now? 40? They were bought by Mercedes but were their own brand before that.
The Smart Electric Drive is the Smart Fortwo with an electric drive.
Leaf: 5 seats, cheap to run, plenty of range to get around Auckland, no oil changes etc, tank is always full when I need to leave the house.
@danvelopment: Can I ask why you need two EVs? Is it due to the range limitations / speed to re-charge being slow?
I can a lot of people having an EV and an ICE - the ICE can be used for indefinite range essentially, whereas the EV might be cheaper to run if you do sufficient mileage (like what you suggested up above with a '2K Banger'). That is what I am considering now, although probably we'd keep our 2016 Toyota ICE for longer distances and it would likely be more spacious than an EV that we would buy for daily commutes.
@Alan6984: Need? No.
Want [all the benefits of an EV]? Yes.
She drives the Smart to her work, I'll drive the [probably] Leaf to mine.
I've driven out of Auckland twice in the last two years. It makes as much sense to plan around maybe driving out of Auckland once a year, as it does to buy a 10 seater Hiace just in case we need to transport lots of passengers.
Having a pilots license and private plane would be even more convenient for maybe leaving Auckland once a year, but I don't have one of those, either.
Better off maximising reality.
If I had no friends to borrow a vehicle, and rentals didn't exist, then I could buy a cheap car to go long distance in once a year using a single years worth of fuel savings. But then I have to service it, WoF, reg, oil changes, as well as risk fuel going stale due to the lack of use. Battery will probably die as well with 12 months between uses.
And it costs more to drive to, say, Wellington, than it does to fly.
@danvelopment: Most of our trips out of Auckland would be to the Coramandel, so flying is not a viable option (plus you have the serious inconvenience of getting around once there), and we'd need something that could comfortably do two hours, preferably three hours (say, 180km) to be safe for the times where there are jams.
Not sure about hire cars - I'd have to see what it would cost to hire something for two weeks a few times a year, but I suspect the depreciation on a second-hand vehicle might be less.
@Alan6984: If you have a legitimate range need, could always get a PHEV.
50KM of range for 95% of trips, then infinite at hybrid fuel costs.
Or an i3 REX.
But my partner and I definitely don't have a legitimate range need (at least not one we can't fulfil just by borrowing a car).
@danvelopment: Yes - I will have a look at hybrids too, but I suspect it will work out cheaper to just change one ICE to an EV, and keep the other as petrol for now, and convert that later, which then might be a hybrid perhaps.
@Alan6984: Shruggie, I guess it just depends on what you mean by a Hybrid, there are a few different types.
PHEVs are capable of operating 100% in EV Mode until the battery is expended (usually about 50KM). Once expended it becomes a regular series hybrid (like the older Prius).
They're literally a combo EV/Hybrid.
Series Hybrid is what people normally think about when people say "Hybrid". Light electric motor that does up to 10km/h or so. Then peak shaves the petrol motor when it's out of the efficient rev ranges.
Parallel Hybrids of which there's like 2 production models in the world, the Nissan E-Power cars. They have a pure EV drivetrain, a negligible battery, and a full ICE motor that does generator duty only at all times.
PHEV, which are Series Hybrids with a large battery and a full size EV motor, so they can run in pure EV mode, even at 100KM/h, like the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV and the Prius PHV.
If you wanted both an EV + fuel range, then a PHEV would replace everything.
A PHEV could do my partners commute without her using a single drop of petrol, then she could drive the same car down to Palmerston North to see her family if she wanted to
Inline and parallel hybrids would both use petrol for her commute.
The i3 REX is a full EV + a petrol generator (no propulsion from the petrol engine) that can operate indefinitely. So sort of a Parallel Hybrid PHEV.
My mistake 😊 I meant those older used Leafs will not suit me, as I suffer from acute EV short range anxiety syndrome. I also need a bigger station wagon.
Te Huia train.
$12 return from Huntly to Strand
$18 return from Hamilton to StrandWhat does this train achieve, other than wasting public money?
🤷♂️ I'm just posting the updated prices.
Deal is extended for another 2 months.
When the extension has finished and the tax is added back on it'll be close to $3.00 per litre 😅😅
Whoops, I was meant to write $4.00 per litre 😁
RUC has also been extended to 21 September
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You must love getting ripped off.