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Nissan Leaf EV 2023 39kWh New and Ex-Demo $29,990 @ Nissan Dealers & Trade Me

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Nissan Leaf EV 2023 39kWh New and Ex-Demo $29,990 @ Nissan Dealers & Trade Me
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gonka on 07/08/2024 - 17:35 trademe.co.nz (1428 clicks)
Last edited 24/09/2024 - 12:04 by 2 other users

This deal is mentioned on Nissan's website but without any details. I've made the deal link a Trade Me search that finds at least some of these, although your local Nissan dealer may have more stock. Here's a Christchurch Nissan link with a couple more that aren't on Trade Me for example.

There are currently about 14 39kWh 2023 new or ex-demo vehicles listed for $29,990 on Trade Me, and about 8 59kWh vehicles (with more powerful motor) for $36,990. The new RRP for the 2024 Leaf is $63,990 + ORC for 39kWh or $72,990 + ORC for 59kWh.

The Leaf battery technology is getting on a bit but they are still extremely reliable and (mostly) well-made cars, and a great buy at this price if you want a brand new one. This could also depress the price of used Leafs even further, and they really are bargains at the moment.

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  • spicymeatball on 07/08/2024 - 20:24
    +4

    Ah, so these dealers bought before the ev cash-back and now have excess stock… "ex-demo" lol.

    • scott on 07/08/2024 - 20:42

      Yip. As long as they waited 3 months between claiming the rebate, and selling of the "ex-demo" cars this is allowed.

      • spicymeatball on 08/08/2024 - 10:27

        I suspect they just want to shift the stock now. The rebate finished 8 months ago.

        • scott on 08/08/2024 - 21:33

          Yip. The "Year" of the car in NZ is the year of first registration. So these are all "2023" cars. Fine to sell in 2024, but not great to sell once 2025 rolls around.

  • scott on 07/08/2024 - 20:40
    +14

    They are all used / ex demo @ the 29,990 price point.

    But given some of them have under 100km on the odometer & the 2023 year, It is a fair assumption may of these were registered to avail the clean car discount before it expired at the end of last year.

    Many (all?) of these cars are quire high spec compared to to the bulk of the more common used imports. Leather seats, Bose audio etc. And for those used to used import / older leaf's, not the charging configuration on these cars is type 2 + CHAdeMO (vs Type 1 & CHAdeMO.)

    As the owner of a 2014 leaf, Leaf's are great cars. Comfortable ride, Quite large as hatchbacks go, hence impressive interior room & boot space, extremely reliable and very tolerant of minimal maintenance. (Mine is at 108,000km, Just did the gear oil & changed the break fluid. Other than that It's largely cabin air filters, tyres & wiper blades).

    Older 24 & 30 kWh leaf's were quite prone to battery degradation, but the 40kWh cars are holding up a heap better, not the distinct concave up curve on the third graph. No data on the Leaf e+ (62kWh total / 59kWh useable), but nothing to indicate this is an issue for them.

    https://flipthefleet.org/resources/benchmark-your-leaf-befor…

    Main weaknesses of these cars:

    • Lack of battery active cooling / rapidgate. Partially impacting the 40kWh car. If you do more than two big fast charge's in a day (1 if ambient temperature is really high), fast charging speed will slow to a crawl (~25kW). If you are going to take the 40kWh car more than ~500km in a day on an occasional or more frequent basis, this is not the car for you. 62 kWh is less impacted due to it's larger battery, but I would say it is not the car for you if you travel ~700km in a day on an occasional or more frequent basis.
    • CHAdeMO fast charging port. Fast becoming the poor cousin fast charging standard in NZ, compared to CCS2. New Z fast charger installs typically get 3x 200kW CCS2 chargers and 1x 25 kW CHAdeMO charger. Noting quite like turning up to a charger with 3 vacant CCS2 bays and one occupied CHAdeMO bay in a CHAdeMO car…
    • While the 62 kWh leaf supports 100kW fast charging, most CHAdeMO chargers in NZ max out at 50kW, which makes the car a lot slower charging than most modern CCS2 EV's.

    Should note that CCS2 to CHAdeMO adaptors do exist, but they are fairly expensive ($2000 from AliExpress), and complex (have an internal little battery that need to be charged occasionally), and not really officially supported in NZ.

    In short, If you are looking for a new car that will rarely be doing more than ~200km (40kWh), or ~280km (62kWh) per day, the leaf is a heap of car for your money. Much better featured, larger, more comfortable etc, than say a Yaris hybrid which the base version retails for $32k. A heap of car for your money. But if you plan on taking this car on roadtrips etc, there are better options on the market.

    • Jaxson on 08/08/2024 - 01:11

      Thanks for your insights here.

      Is 40kW enough power for a comfortable driver?
      Seems low but I can’t say if that’s peppy or lethargic levels.

      • quasar on 08/08/2024 - 06:32
        +2

        40kWh is the battery capacity. The motor in that model is 110kW, but it's hard to compare that number to an ICE car because of the instant torque so it will feel peppy.

        • Jaxson on 08/08/2024 - 08:53

          lol missed the ‘h’ end 😂
          All good thanks

          • spicymeatball on 08/08/2024 - 10:23

            @Jaxson: I have a 40kW Gen 2. With all the eco features off, I can out-drag most cars from the lights with little effort :D IIRC the stated acceleration is 0-100 in under 7 seconds.

      • Everettpsycho on 08/08/2024 - 06:58

        If you turn off the eco mode they are quick off the line. Also have more linear acceleration as there is no gearbox so once of the line the acceleration keeps coming with no break when it changes up a gear.

        We have two older model leafs and they are nice drives but as mentioned above their batteries are starting to degrade more and as it's winter we are getting much less from a charge. That said we only have them and it's not limited us that much as with small kids we don't intend on long distance driving with them, the stopping to charge once an hour fits in nicely with our current situation. We often take one of our 30kWh from Christchurch up to kaikoura or hanmer for a weekend and the stops aren't a chore, we just make a day of the journey getting shopping, coffee, lunch and letting the kids loose in playgrounds.

      • scott on 08/08/2024 - 10:46

        As per the other comment 40 kWh is the battery capacity. It gets a 110 kW motor.

        And the 62 kWh e+ gets a 160 kW motor.

        In short, this is plenty of power for the segment. As (non hot) hatchbacks go, this is a fairly quick car.

        We have a 24 kWh leaf with an 80kW motor. For context it replaced a 97 kW corolla, and our other car is a 200 kW Lexus. While notable slower than the Lexus, power in the leaf has never been an issue. And it generally feels pepper than the corolla

        A big reason that powerful ICE are sort after is that getting max power (revving to say 5,500 RPM), is kind of unpleasant, so it is nice to have a car which has plenty of power in reserve for going up hills etc, so it is just cruising. In an EV, getting max power does not have an issue on acoustics.

        Also, due to being a single speed, on the leaf, unlike our auto corolla there is not a lag while the gearbox throws down a few gears if you floor it.

    • gonka on 08/08/2024 - 07:54

      There's one marked as brand new (not ex-demo) at that price on Trade Me at the moment, I thought there was two yesterday but maybe not.

  • Jesse on 08/08/2024 - 07:56

    Sounds too good to be true for an EV with high specs such as heated leather seats, rear privacy glass etc. Hybrid Toyotas at entry spec sits at ~35K minimum.

    Wonder what the catch is? Am I missing something here? Looks a little off and outdated but us cheapies could live through it. Range seems more than enough for city driving.

    • Jaxson on 08/08/2024 - 08:56
      +3

      Fundamental flaw of no cooling in the batteries will be an issue longer term compared to newer tech, but this is likely end of model runout mixed with now passed minimum time for them to sell as used having claimed the government subsidies themselves?

      • Jesse on 08/08/2024 - 09:41

        So most likely a decent deal for fellas whose looking to take this car to their grave (everyone says that when they're buying new).

        Napkin maths: use it for a reasonable 15 years without major fix ups that will be $2000 per year just for the car cost alone, which seems pretty good considering all the luxury and safety features of being a new car? I never bought new yet so I'm not sure what's acceptable for us cheapies around here.

        • gonka on 08/08/2024 - 09:49
          +1

          Just make sure you get an insurance quote before you buy, the amount can be a bit of a shock these days especially if it's insured for replacement value. Leafs aren't specially expensive to insure I don't think, the replacement value is just a lot more if you're used to buying cheaper cars.

    • scott on 08/08/2024 - 11:08
      +1

      The underlying issue is that government policy change (stacked with global recession, and a global glut of EV's), has created a situation where NZ EV dealers have excessive stock on hand, meaning the need to discount steeply to clear stock. Very likely they are loosing money at this pricing.

      The "Pre registered" bit is because they would have registered the cars to use as dealer demo's in late 2023, meaning the dealer could claim the $7k clean car discount for themselves. It's fine for them to sell those demo's as long as they have waited more than 3 months (well past that now). But the year of the car that gets advertised in NZ is the year of first registration, so all these cars need to be advertised as "2023". Not too bad when they are selling them in 2024, but the dealers will want them all gone before it rolls over to 2025….

      They also need to compete with used imports from Japan. A 2019 40kWh leaf can be had for ~$16k, and a high spec 2019 62kWh for ~30k.

      From a buyers perspective, this situation is great. For those who want a new (ish) car with a warranty the Nissan is a great deal. Base corolla Hatch hybrid is $37300, and if you want branded auto you would need to spend $43,500.

      The main "Catch", is that the leaf is not suitable for long distance travel. If you attempt to drive more than 500km in a day (for the 40kWh), or 700km in a day (for the 62kWh), you are likely to run into "rapidgate" issues where fast charging slows to a crawl.

      Second "Catch" is the CHAdeMO fast charge port. This is rapidly becoming the poor cousin of fast charge standards in NZ. As an example New installs at Z stations get 3x 200kW CCS2 cords and 1 x 25kW CHAdeMO cord…

      • justaddwater on 11/08/2024 - 11:47

        2023". Not too bad when they are selling them in 2024, but the dealers will want them all gone before it rolls over to 2025….

        What about warranty?

        • scott on 11/08/2024 - 16:40

          It's "Balance of New Car Warranty".

          The 5 year, 150,000 km warranty, starts when the cars are registered. These cars would have been registered in late (Oct / Nov / Dec), the example I checked was registered on the 31st Oct 2023. A buyer such a car in 2024 is likely to brush off the loss of warranty, however a buyer in 2025 is likely to look into it in more detail, given the car is dated two years ago.

          Personally I wouldn't be too concerned about the warranty coverage on a 40 / 62 kWh leaf. They have proven to be solid cars.

  • Neongreen on 08/08/2024 - 09:36
    +1

    Highly recommend to spring for the extra $7k to get the 59/62kWh version.

    Having had a range of different sized batteries with the Leaf, the 59kWh version solves pretty much all of it's problems and really makes a great vehicle. We have 2x of them. Note the below applies to our experience with import Leafs, these might be a bit different being NZ new. There was a big problem with Nissan doing a poverty spec(foot breaks, halogen lighting, etc) for a premium priced Leafs for awhile. Nissan NZ has worked tireless to destroy the potential for the Leaf in NZ, and it has succeeded here despite all their efforts.

    1. 160kW power/330NM instant torque means you can basically shred everything ICE that isn't high performance, you can also get yourself out of tough spots if you find yourself in one. Unfortunately 2020 onwards they adjusted the acceleration a bit to make it more 'measured', a big difference we noticed between our 2019 and 2020 Leaf.
    2. 7kW AC/100kW DC charging - double the charging speeds vs the 39kW. There are only a few 100kW chargers around, but I have a 220km regular drive and Z has a 100kW Chademo in Warkworth, about halfway through my drive, which is great if I'm towing a big load(2.5T is easily achievable with this vehicle if you know what you are doing.). Saves me about 10 minutes(although tops out at 73kW).
    3. Battery overheating is barely an issue. You can do 500KM with this vehicle in a day before it becomes an issue. I.e., Auckland-Wellington. Different if towing but that's a different beast.
    4. Low degradation - bigger battery means all the demands are relatively lower, and therefore should reduce any degradation.

    Extra 100KM range too, all for $7k more, an absolute steal.

    • Neongreen on 08/08/2024 - 09:42
      -1

      Also, don't get the light green colour if they still offer it. Never get this colour for a Leaf if you can avoid it.

      It gets hit constantly, inexperienced drivers cannot pick it out so will just drive straight into it. Half of the bodywork on our one has been replaced.

      • Jaxson on 08/08/2024 - 09:57

        Was there a different battery chemistry type on the larger battery option?
        I don't know the details but see a different type of battery mentioned a lot and from memory it may have been different between the lower and high capacity options. In this case that may have just been teh fast charge option but thought I'd ask.

        • Neongreen on 08/08/2024 - 11:36

          There was some early refinements in the years pre-2015, but largely the chemistry seems to be considered the same since then. I'm sure they tweak it as they go.

          It's the larger size that makes an enormous difference - degradation on batteries is partly calender, partly usage. A 62kWh battery discharging at 30kW(a typical motorway cruising output, as an example), is only working at 0.5C(50% of battery capacity output per hour). A 40kWh battery is working at 0.75C. Everything you do with the bigger battery leafs, barring putting your foot down, is being gentler with the bigger battery.

  • Stoffel on 08/08/2024 - 12:02
    +1

    It's on the news now:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/350371616/new-electric-car-…

  • Gabbar on 08/08/2024 - 16:13

    I was about to list my Leaf 2018 40 KW and was thinking of getting 20K-22K out of it but it seems no one will pay even 15K after looking at this great offer.

    • Jaxson on 08/08/2024 - 17:04
      +1

      Had a similar plummet in value of my older outlander phev after the rucs hit.
      Game over for resale at that point.

      • Avantime on 08/08/2024 - 18:08
        +1

        It's what happens when there's a sugar rush (feebate + no RUCs, low-ish insurance costs except Tesla) followed by a sugar crash (no more feebate, RUCs, big price cuts killing resale values, big insurance hikes).

        The Leaf was always the unloved last-gen, obsolete model compared to Tesla and the Chinese marques, abandoned by Nissan's Japanese managers after Carlos Ghosn was ousted (The Leaf was originally Ghosn's big gamble) and had to flee Japan in a music box. No battery cooling, CHAdeMO, uncompetitive price etc.

    • scott on 08/08/2024 - 21:48
      +1

      My leaf (2014 24 kWh), had near zero deprecation for two years, and the value has roughly halved this year… Strange deprecation curve for sure.

      But yeah, globally the auto industry is flooded with stock (especially EV's), putting pressure downwards pressure on used car's.

      Cheapest 40kWh leaf I could find on trademe is asking $13,450. If yours is worth more than this comes down to stuff like mileage, battery health, condition, features (leather seats? Bose audio?), if it is converted to English yet, and what cables it includes.

  • jimpappa on 27/08/2024 - 12:05

    Is it worth paying $1,750.00 upfront for 5 year service plan?

    • gonka on 28/08/2024 - 21:00
      +1

      Not unless the warranty requires it, they really don't need much servicing and independent EV specialists will be a lot cheaper than Nissan.

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